This has my undying approval.

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  1. Lulu says:

    I still think they could have just flew in.

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    1. AnnaEstelle says:

      Let me just repost the video here as my response to that comment…

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  2. Jacob Cullum says:

    XD That was great.

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  3. mariertps says:

    YES. FINALLY. I’ve needed this for years.

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    1. Bessie Lark says:

      What she said. <3333

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      1. Lulu says:

        What the females said above this post. Let me use an arrow to make it more obvious that I meant the people above me and not below me.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^666666666666666666

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    2. AnnaEstelle says:

      See, I’ve been giving this argument for years…but I’m quite happy to see some other smart people joining my side of the issue and providing some…erm…visual aids…;)

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  4. grannyandpoppy says:

    Now I know what to get you for Christmas.

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  5. sarahtps says:

    That was awesome. :D

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  6. joctavianr says:

    Hahaha. Anna, I am sure that you are overjoyed at this. But, honestly, wouldn’t it have helped to at least have the eagles fly them part way, maybe drop them off near Gondor? That way Sean Bean might have actually lived through a movie for the first time ever. . .

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    1. AnnaEstelle says:

      You don’t want to get i this debate with me. But. Since you asked.
      …sooo are we talking about movie-verse or book-verse? Movie-verse, they can do whatever the heck they want. Unfortunately. ;) Movie-verse, the Eagles are much…less…than in book-verse. And it does seem kind of silly, given the fact that Gandalf hitches a few rides with them, that they don’t make more use of them for the rest of the company. Yea. Movie-verse, they could have used the Eagles a bit more than they did and Sean Bean could have lived. Book-verse, however, is different. Book-verse has a ton of history behind it that movie-verse is lacking. History about the Eagles, and reasons that they can’t just step up and start orchestrating things, or help Gandalf to orchestrate things. Book-verse, Gandalf is an Istar. A.k.a. a wizard – but the Istari are essentially another faction of the Maiar. They came from Valinor, they work for the Valar. The Valar have retreated from Middle-earth. They have made the decision no longer to meddle in the affairs of the people in Middle-earth. It’s the whole idea of free-will, I think. They have decided that some of the decisions they made for the Elves, for instance, didn’t work out so well, and maybe they should let these people live their own lives without so much divine intervention. They got themselves into trouble, and they should have the option to get themselves out, rather than the Valar stepping in and making things work the way THEY want them to. Because ultimately, Iluvatar is boss, and he has a plan for everything that happens. The Valar stepping in and helping the people of Middle-earth may seem good in the moment, but it may also be messing with Iluvatar’s will for Ea. So thus, the Valar have retreated. The Istari, like I said, are working for the Valar. They have permission to go into Middle-earth and help the people make things right – because the people may not have the courage, strength, or knowledge to do it on their own. BUT, at the same time, the same rules apply to the Istari as to the Valar. They can;t just say, okay, everybody do this and that, I will personally take on the bad guy and win, and everything will be saved. They can’t orchestrate things. They also are of an equal status with Sauron, so even were they to duel, there is no way to be suee they would win. Sauron has an army of slaves who will do whatever he commands. Gandalf pretty much doesn’t, as can be seen by his “success” with getting Denethor to do the right thing – Denethor was all like, I AIN’T NO WIZARD’S PUPIL IT’S MY PARTY I CAN DO WHAT I WANT. (okay, sorry, that was rubbish but it fit). So. Thus, the Istari can’t interfere too much either.
      Now we come to the Eagles. The Eagles are, as you may have guessed by now, also tied to the Valar. They are messengers of Manwe. Now, given the fact that the Valar are cut off, in a way, from Middle-earth, the Eagles don’t have much messengering to do anymore. They are, instead, become sort of watchers. They see all of Middle-earth, and they watch what is happening, and they wait in the background until they are needed. Like the Istari and the Valar, they can’t just jump in and do whatever they want to make things all better. There are rules. They do help Gandalf out – because that is furthering his cause as one working for the Valar. That is helping him to do HIS job – NOT changing the way the people of Middle-earth do theirs. They also jump in again at the end, when Sauron is being overthrown. That was, obviously, a very, very critical moment. One man more or less each side, and the outcome of the battle before the Black Gates could have been very different. The whole POINT of the Valar sending the Istari to Middle-earth was to help the people get rid of Sauron. So, at the end, when the people have done all they could, including sacrifice themselves in the most frighteningly uneven battle of all time (how many men did Aragorn have at his back before the Black Gates? Not many.), THEN and only then can the Eagles come to help. The people of Middle-earth have done everything in their power, and the only thing that can win the battle for them is time – time for Frodo and Sam to get to Orodruin. At this point, the Eagles come to join the battle, because they will, again, not be CHANGING the decisions of the people, but they will be HELPING the people play out the decision they have ALREADY made. Aragorn had ALREADY decided to fight to the death at the Gates. Frodo and Sam had ALREADY decided to climb Mt. Doom and cast in the Ring. They were almost there. All they needed was time. The eagles came to give them that.
      So. In Conclusion. The Eagles couldn;t just ferry people around. that would be interfering too much and implementing their own wills on the people of Middle-earth without letting the people make their own decisions first. Gandalf can’t suggest that the company ride the Eagles, because of the same reason. The Eagles are also servants of Manwe – not a taxi service. They don’t WANT to get too involved in this war, because even if Middle-earth fell to Sauron, they could just fly home to Valinor and be all safe and dandy. Their world is not the one in question, here. It’s the world of the people they have been sent to watch, but not to orchestrate like puppets. So no taxi service.
      If you think about it, the Eagles were very very reluctant to help Gandalf fly the Dwarves to the Carrock in the Hobbit. For the same reason. They can’t jump in and just make things happen – the decisions have to be made and acted out by the people of Middle-earth. But Gandalf pulled a favor, which he had every right to do, and the Dwarves HAD already determined that they were going to Erebor come hell or high water, and the Eagles flying them out of reach of the wolves was helping that decision. Flying them to the Carrock was a bit cheating, though, and the Eagles weren’t happy about it.

      Now. Would you like to continue this debate or have I drowned you in text? ;) Because I got more where this came from.

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    2. AnnaEstelle says:

      …also, Sean Bean living through a movie has NOTHING to do with the integrity of Middle-earth…

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      1. joctavianr says:

        Bahaha. You win. I just wanted to poke the hornets’ nest.

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        1. AnnaEstelle says:

          jussayin’, but that’s a really stupid idea when Tolkien is involved, and especially when his Eagles are involved…I’ve gotten in this debate too many times to not reply in essay form. *grins*

          But all the same I appreciate the chance to show off my superior knowledge of Tolkien-verse to you peasants. *flexes brain* You’re welcome.
          ;)

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    3. Lulu says:

      whoever this joctavaner person is i like them. l0L

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